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We're listed

Suggested topic: Obama and the Nobel Prize: When War becomes Peace, When the Lie becomes the Truth

Not neutral enough: Climate Change responsibilites (neutrality)

Design issue: font

Need for neutrality

Anomalies section

Proposed investigation : Haiti earthquake prediction

Informally, I'm off soon!

Learning academese

Was Heidegger a Nazi?

pi-lab changes

Proposed featured page / key thinkers page

"PI in the news"

The PI effect

Suspected Sockpuppetting

2009-09-12 11:04:26 Picasso banned from PI!

Hi all, as Editor-in-Chief and Chief Security Officer for PI, I have just banned 'Picasso' on suspicion of being a sock-puppet! —NormanNitram

2009-09-14 23:12:19 Stop messing the css, Doc - or you'll be following your mate 'Picasso...' —NormanNitram

Featured Wiki status

2009-09-17 22:05:07

I asked Wikispot to consider changing their featured wiki, here

http://wikispot.org/

- but not for the first time - no reply! Gnomes or other users... (are there any...?!)

I think it is 'in principle' okay to edit the space ourselves. What do others think though?

I honestly think the present WIki is a poor advert for the Wikispot site, and that we have now 'proved' that wikispot can do decent things. We are in principle offering to share our hard work witheveryone, not so much boasting! —NormanNitram

2009-09-18 14:03:51 Hi Norman, It recently came to my attention that your colleague recently resurfaced. His Larriness came back to public life just in time to give his royal approval to the recent project of creating a new charter for Citizendium. Not that it is ferociously interesting, but hey, this is a noticeboard!
ps: He's even back on facebook.... this motivated me to promote our global warming article on facebook. Received some favorable feedback... but not from Larry, of course!

—PerigGouanvic

2009-09-18 17:59:19 Links please, P-A!

I like a laugh...

p.s why not pop in and invite that rabble over>

—NormanNitram

2009-09-18 21:27:55 Okay guys, we've enhanced our green credentials, now back to the global warming debate. —NormanNitram

2009-10-16 17:27:47

The DMOZ

I just found that Google was associated with the Open Directory Project. http://www.dmoz.org/about.html; It is a good idea to suggest selected PI articles to this directory, no? —PerigGouanvic

- No harm, anyway, more the merrier, I guess. - NN

We're listed

under Science: Science in Society: Skeptical Inquiry with the science fascists and the pseudoskeptics!! YEY! — PG

Seriously, if one has a better category to suggest... but it must be noted that this category gets high traffic. — pg

2009-10-16 17:48:59

Not neutral enough: Climate Change responsibilites (neutrality)

2009-12-09 14:38:44 Climate Change responsibilites (neutrality)

Hi all. I have been deeply worried by the news coming out of Copenhagen about the climate catastrophe, and I want to insist that all our pages on the matter be properly 'neutral'. At the moment, Cohen has slanted them heavily towards the deniers perspective. Now I know it is going to be unpopular in some quarters, but I propose to ADD to each page a box, in the proportion 50:50 - that's fair, eh? - of what we might call the 'Copenhagen' interpretation.

Secondly, whilst these boxes are being prepared, I propose to make all the present pages readable only by editors/

Any objections? —NormanNitram

2009-12-09 20:28:18 I agree with Norman. When our seas are drying up even as we look, this sort of 'philosophical debate' seems quite inappropriate. —Georgenonbio

2009-12-09 21:59:58 Could you give us some examples, of what you mean, Norman? I honestly don't see how it helps here - I mean it sounds a bit like an idea intended to impress 'voters' over at your other project? —docmartin

—NormanNitram adds

Here's how it would go on the Global Warming page, for example:

NEUTRALITY NOTES
Many scientists think polar bears are in danger of extinction (apart from in zoos) owing to the melting of ice all over the planet destroying their natural habitat. Research shows that polar bears require polar regions to live in

2009-12-11 13:50:05 Thanks Norman,if all your notes are as much fun as this one, I've no objection!

Here's one I've made for you, drawing on comments on the Times Higher site debate (J.M. Davidson's post).http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=409454

NEUTRALITY NOTES: CO2 Levels
Are they as high as we're told? Most Climate Change theorists start with the 'brute fact' of 'record CO2 levels' - higher than they have been since recorded time. But, a book published in 2007 by Ernst-Georg Beck, (Energy and Environment, Vol 18 No 2,) gives a different story. An analysis of more than 90,000 contemporaneous measurements of atmospheric levels of CO2 between 1812 and 1961. The record starts in 1812 at 390 ppmv, (and that was the year of Napoleon's retreat from Moscow, when he arrived back in France with only 10% of the troops who had stared the march , most of them being lost to the arctic cold conditions encountered en route.) CO2 levels peaked in 1825 at 450 ppmv, (still in the little ice age, remember,) then fell back, and peaked again at 440 ppmv in 1942.

—docmartin

Thanks, Perig. Okay! This is ready for the page, then!

2009-12-13 21:19:21 I love the colors —PerigGouanvic

Design issue: font

2009-12-13 22:59:14 Norman,

The font change (Georgia, 16px) is so interesting that I decided to leave it like that instead of proposing screen captures for others to compare. Here is, attached, the previous style.css. Perhaps 15px is slighty better... My personal design advisor likes the font size, she says that many sites are too hard on the eyes. here's the previous css and a screen capture of the previous font style + size. previousstyle.css
—PerigGouanvic

I think the change is too radical to be taken just like that - can we set it up on the Lab and talk about the pros and cons? There are both... DM

2009-12-14 11:21:49 Yes, there are adbantages to the big font,a nd to the typeface. BUT it has completely devastated the lay-outs for many pages, and hence lots of time spent earlier fine-tuning pages. Put it back please, P-A! —NormanNitram

2009-12-14 12:20:16 Alright, here it is. —PerigGouanvic

2009-12-14 12:36:53 The style change was applied to pi-lab.wikispot.com. I started a discussion on the "style.css" page. —PerigGouanvic

Good - thanks P-A. I'll leave it to you and the Doc do argue over... right now I'm busy with canvassing. - NN

2009-12-14 23:07:34 P-A - All!

2009-12-15 19:52:45 Some ideas for your 'science fascists' (that's really not fair to them, they're not really scientists) - US green edition - maybe ?
http://antigreen.blogspot.com/2009/12/noaaghcn-global-historical-climate.html —86.220.115.238

Need for neutrality

2009-12-19 22:58:54 I think this bears out my arguments for the need for neutrality - We must be careful not to offend our sponsors. I saw this comment for example, under Doc's article.

# Patrick Ainley 18 December, 2009

Further to my last contribution that you have not published: copy of letter ending subscription to the THE: Dear Mdm/Sir, Further to our phone conversation, I would be glad if you could send £29.48 (= the amount outstanding on my annual subscription to the THE) to Ethiopiaid POB 31052, London SW1X 9WB now that I no longer wish to receive copies of the 'dumbed down' 'flat earth' magazine to which the THE has been reduced. Please confirm when you have done this. Patrick Ainley. (I realise that this gesture on my part makes little difference to a magazine whose owners obviously do not care what is published in it as long as the adverts keep coming in but adverts are getting rather thin on the ground of late and are likely to get thinner, so subscriptions will become more important to them and they will be unlikely to allow the current staff to go on recycling press releases in the manner to which they have become accustomed. Hopefully we will then see an end to such 'opinion pieces' as last week's climate change denial which for me was the last straw! Even more hopefully, the gap left in the market by the degredation of the THE creates a space for a genuine news service dedicated to reflecting opinion and events in education. I intend to set up a Facebook Group to this end.)

—NormanNitram

2009-12-21 14:19:55 New People: New Topics I added a 'new topic', which was a cut and paste job of a dialogue I was having with Martin Cohen following his article in the THE. It seems to have disappeared though. As I'm new to this board, and I don't really know what it is (Martin recommended I 'continue on the Philosophical Investigations website') I don't know if I've posted correctly, or incorrectly, or offended someone maybe by posting without asking?
So, here is an ask: can I continue the debate with Martin Cohen on his article re: 'Beyond Debate?' specifically concerning the way in which he understands the 'rational' and its relation to ethics, politics, and epistemology. —NickBeech

Hi Nick,

Sure - Perig moved your points to the 'Global Warming/ Talk' page. But I wonder if what you want to debate is actually 'rationality'. In which case, we could start a new page called that. Just type it in the search box - and start it for us! The AGW is a possible starting point. And discussion of 'rationality' can be then straight off THAT page. If you just want to swap arguments with me about the Higher article, though, the 'Global Warming/ Talk' page makes more sense.

—Docmartin

Thanks! I've gone to the 'Global Warming/Talk' page and continued there... — Nick Beech

2009-12-23 00:57:43 Nick, what happened is that I explained this deletion (as being a transfer to the GW page) in the comment box only (comments can be read by clicking the 'info' button, above, between 'edit' and 'discussion'). In any case, such huge deletions should be explained on the talk page. My apologies. —PerigGouanvic

2009-12-23 20:51:16 I hate to say this, but God is not pleased. His page is all messed up! (See the div at the bottom...)

http://www.philosophical-investigations.org/God

I think we need a good bug check... —NormanNitram

I checked the 'featured pages' and hey - they still look great!

2009-12-24 00:56:55 It's not exactly a "mess up", more exactly that I had forgotten God when I led our subjects accross the desert to reach the land of non-profit wikis. —PerigGouanvic

2009-12-24 07:02:22 Just to reiterate: i'm annoyed by this discrepancy between the size of normal text and titles! :-) —PerigGouanvic

2009-12-31 19:13:21 Hi Guys,

Just to say my new year resolution is... to clamp down on 'sock puppets'!

Watch out, Doc! —NormanNitram

2010-01-04 16:40:20 Hey people, we've got a nice Anomaly here for our kit: http://www.skeptiko.com/eeg-expert-on-near-death-experience/
EEG Expert Can’t Explain Near Death Experience Data… and, Dr. Penny Sartori Finds More Than Hallucinations in NDE Accounts —PerigGouanvic

Moved to PDK's talk page. — pg

2010-01-09 05:05:58 I am proposing the following investigation to your attention and for inclusion in the live debates: Are men and women essentially different, or is it just self-indulgent pop psychology useful to divert people of real political and ethical issues?
http://www.philosophical-investigations.org/users/PerigGouanvic/Girl_Power —PerigGouanvic

Sure - I think inclusion as 'live' is up to authors. It's the 'featuring' that is soo coveted. Once a page is 'featured' it means students all over the world can quote as a reliable source, you see. Sauce even! NN

Had missed your response, NN. Ok good. That's perfectly logical. Let's just make sure that we don't include tons of articles that won't stick.

-pg

2010-01-17 06:03:41 Please see the puerism / maternalism page for a new 'concept' for introducing frankly polemical or argumentative parts in stub articles. Opinion?
At least it's aesthetic!
(something like a complement to Norman'S neutrality notes, no?) —PerigGouanvic

2010-01-17 19:40:05 P-A, I'm fine with your article for 'approval' - although I have two suggestions.

1. The argumentative logo - great - but when a page is approved, it cannot be edited by 'outsiders'... so how does this work then? (The 'respond accordingly' bit...) I think given the nature of this page - we need to create NOW a 'responses' page and add some comment sto it too - kinda the neutrality thing again, yes! but also there's this problem about a debate page that we want left as a presentation of a view. (I agree that this is the thing to do here.)

2. The final gas chamber bit - are you sure your point is clear? I can't quite see what you are saying. The guy is not even named! It's ironic, yes, but also we don't want to be 'trivialising' do we? I suggest a bit of 'fact' to make clearer your implied comparisons? —NormanNitram

— Howz that? — Perig

2010-01-19 18:07:40 Both points are well taken. I"ll work on that—PerigGouanvic

2010-01-19 19:35:00 I made a range of edits in several pages. I wanted to keep track of some stubs that might fall into oblivion, so I listed them on my page. Here is what it looks like:

Can life after death be proven?
What motivates British Neocons?
Why is difference feminism so unpopular among feminists?
Scientific Colonization
Can Civilization Be Based On A Coincidence?
Can the Internet ever become the elusive Library of All Knowledge?
What is Transhumanists' Cure for Humanity?

Yes, I was thinking about that too - how about we 'pull them' from the live list (if they're in it- they should be!) and create a new list off the left bar called 'dormant' or 'saved from oblicion' or something. NN

I'd call them something like: Morsels or Fragments. —PG

I also tried to standardize these pages. —PerigGouanvic

2010-01-19 21:53:58 Another fine featured page! That makes 6. I wonder, should we have a logo for all of these? It could say something about how they are not open for editing any more, but comments can be made. Any offers? Something discreet, though, eh? —NormanNitram

An idea: let's change the small PI logo so that it suggests a certain level of quality or "finiteness" (sorry) — say, put some gold color, or a little something on the logo (star, check mark) example:

and we could add that it's not open for editing on the featured pages page, a bit like the rules for philosophizing (on the right)—PG

2010-01-19 22:21:24 er, was i clear in this last sentence? —PerigGouanvic

These are featured pages You may:
- Start a new page on a related topic
- Discuss the featured page
- Hit the road
- Go to wikipedia and tell how great these pages are
- Create something even better

(I'm not quite sure about the 3 last ones, but you get the idea)
— PG

... how about just one more, to make 3: Cite it in academic papers!
( better keep the exclamation mark I spose... )

DocM

Agreed!

2010-01-19 22:41:35 We could use this one?

just that i have no idea why. but it's cute. —PerigGouanvic

It's slicko!

— DocM

2010-01-21 08:40:21 Any suggestions for investigations that should be sent to 'Morsels

— again, it's a suggested name. i won't fight for morsels. —PerigGouanvic

We shouldn't fight over morsels either... I like the name, but it suits pages the never really got going best. A new category, in other words! New logos!

Re. the dormant/ not live anymore category, which most of our 'live' pages needed to go to, I think we still need to come up with the right name. How about 'dead'?! No longer squawking?

DocM

2010-01-23 19:29:20 Okay, I understand.

Saved from oblivion...

Rescued from oblivion...

Dormant

How about The Vault? —PerigGouanvic

Go on! Cobwebs on the logo maybe?!

—DocMartin

Awesome! —PG

2010-01-21 20:20:53 I think the 'page turning' logo would make a possible image for 'live' debates, no? —AndreBriton

I didn't see it like that, but yes! - PG

However, this section already has its own logo, which i find interesting: ... in that the green evokes... well you know. —PG

I think André probably had not noticed. Yes, the Green PI logo is rather tasty - subtle even! The page turner will come in useful somewhere, though?

-DM

Anomalies section

2010-01-23 23:52:15 I took care of Anomalies section. I linked to three articles without, however, removing the original links in Featured/Live articles. I also renamed the links, under this anomaly page, so that the anomaly is clearly stated:

The Binding Problem: How can perception be faster than nerve transmission?
Perceiving the touch and sight of an event is like receiving an email and a postcard that were sent simultaneously. How could the email and the 'snail mail' arrive at the same time? In physiology, they do — but 'normal scientists' turn a blind eye.

Mirror neurons, the organ of innate knowledge
... a neurological organ that apparently allows human beings to learn by imitation even when there isn't the slightest element to base the comparison, the imitation, on

Jasper's Axial Age
"The spiritual foundations of humanity were laid simultaneously and independently... And these are the foundations upon which humanity still subsists today."

I find this stimulating. -?

—PerigGouanvic

How about, for our dead articles, the following:

The following are unstuck articles. They do not adhere to PI's basic rules and principles. Feel free to improve those articles so that they can be submitted to the Live debates.

(with my french ears, i'm not able to tell if this little play on words is good)

—PG
I know, i know, it's not exactly what we meant by 'dead'... —PG

so let's go with The vault and the cobweb — PG

2010-01-24 01:55:29 Proposal: remove the "quick wiki tips" that appear in the "recent changes" page. —PerigGouanvic

Only Norman stands in the way of this, as far as I'm concerned - DocM

Norman, I"ll imitate your ways and delete this thing. Revert is always possible! — PG

Users can be deleted too, especially editors. Remember, there are literally hundreds of (well, several, well both Howard and Harvey) eager young Citizendium editors desperately trying to get in! Fortunately for you two, I agree! - NN

2010-01-24 03:34:43 A new icon for the paradigm destruction kit. a slight variance. feedback, please. —PerigGouanvic

This could be a page for the 'unstuck' category? Certainly that logo could be!

DocM

Meaning that both the logo and the page should be removed front the sidebar, moved under the pages which do not comply to PI's rules? I had greater ambitions for this page... yikes! what should i do? —PG

There! Here's an example of what I foresee for this page. A new way to link and access to our favourite pages. Please the PDK - anomalies page and see the "Medieval Warm Period" anomaly down there, and how it 'enhances' navigation of the site, adds "value"... —PG

2010-01-24 03:36:37 Recent investigations should either go to the vault or to the featured pages, or am i desperately in need of an explanation 'for dummies'? —PerigGouanvic

As usual, the E-in-C did not explain his thinking - but I guess the answer is 'yes' (plus the other new categories) and hence 'au revoir' Recent investigations ? - DocM

Proposed investigation : Haiti earthquake prediction

2010-01-24 04:49:44 I would like to propose a new investigation, but i'm afraid it's a bit too heavy:

Who killed thousands of Haitians in january 2010?

it would be a reflection on the following article, a reflection on the way scientists are not listened to when it's not convenient.
http://www.mondialisation.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16945

Haïti, menace de catastrophe naturellle : Risque sismique élevé sur Port-au-Prince
En 2008 un géologue prévoyait le tremblement de terre
par Phoenix Delacroix
"En 1751 et en 1771, cette ville a été complètement détruite par un séisme. Je parie mes yeux que cela se reproduira. La science peut aisément le confirmer" —PerigGouanvic

I think it might make a suitable topic - à la Global Warming. Controversial but 'important'.

That nest of Science Fascists did print a good article on - pointing the finger at a few possible 'answers'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/14/haiti-history-earthquake-disaster

- DM

just met an haitian yesterday who knew about that. not in the mass media, however (as far as i can tell) -? —pg

Google tells that the only mass media who covered this were russian pravda and french canadian radio-canada... a very non-scientific survey however. — pg

Any one able to 'action' the idea though? I reckon it might work better as a particular case of the ongoing effects of colonialism. - DM

2010-01-24 23:35:28 Hope I'm not stepping on toes, but I've rushed in with my own 'version' of the new categories -. But this really is just an opinion tester, guys! You are welcome to edit me into the vault here... —NormanNitram

2010-01-28 13:30:02 Can Perig do his 'magic' to the new logos (esp. on the discussion pages) - and get the text to sit obediently next to them? Otherwise - it's one of my 'tables'! —docmartin

the formula or incantation involves the include macro with templates/discuss. Can you show me those that don't have that? I'll do my check up, but may forget some. —pg

Yes, but what is being included? Are these just graphics that have been uploaded as normal...or? - DM [not 'shouting' just trying to be more visible!]

and non-discuss logos too. —pg

Perhaps all the 'category' pages with a logo should carry the logo on their discussion pages. At the moment it's a bit haphazard. Plus the morsels text looks a bit scrappy. Maybe a table is needed here? - DM

I just edited all the talk pages for the various 'categories' to the same 'simple' style. The idea, again, is that as they are limtied to discussing which page goes where, we don't need to apply the 'general PI rules] Comments and reactions!

This makes sense. —PG

2010-01-28 19:02:35 Just added the picture of the Piltdown "man" (orang-utan) on the GW page.

Like it? —pg —PerigGouanvic

I like it, so it stays. (2:1) Looks like the Doc, too, dunnit!

2010-01-28 19:44:45 Very seriously, I want our British Science Fascists to be under our Key Thinkers page (collectively). It deserves to be properly featured, but it is not in the spirit of our philosophical investigations, IMO. —PerigGouanvic

Well, they're not really 'thinkers' are they? Maybe we need a new category! - NN
Yes, a new category would be fine. I'm thinking about stg like:
The Guardians
The Thought Police
...

—PG

The Guardians is great! Let's go for that. But we need to keep the 'science fascist element as its integral to the page - plus there's the pretty logo. - DM

I'm not sure i understand, re the BSF. I would feature the BSF link on the Guardians page, along with the BAAS and others, and use the pretty BSF logo as the link to the page. Is this what you had in mind? (Note that the Darwin-in-a-christian fish could be a nice image to link to the BAASs - but we may also make a similar logo as with the BSFs, with the "Party" font)— PG

Ignore Doc, the new side-bar selection is pretty self-explanatory - NN

2010-01-30 23:40:57 Shouldn't we have the 'All pages' feature more prominent? maybe its own left button? —NormanNitram

There: the "All pages" page is now in the left margin, as a button. That was another good idea. We're getting more 'rational', thanks to you NN! —PG

I've protected the categories: Feature/ Live/The Vault from vandals/BSF types. Good idea? And I've deliberately left Morsels and Unstuck open to all. - NN

Good idea! -pg

I'm getting more familiar with the "info" button, when I want to find the most recent noticeboard messages. I think that some people might feel lost, and that we could refer them to the info/history page of the noticeboard. A little sentence up there, before the "for design issues, ..." with a direct link to the history page, would be useful -? — PG

Well, yes, following up points is getting confuisng. But really, the 'info' route is adding a stage, and a bit of techyness. I woud say we need to 'archive' most of the comments here, but keep the links to the archive in a new box on the page - maybe even indicate the topics covered? Then we 'experts could also use italic and bold etc more... NN

Informally, I'm off soon!

2010-02-01 20:25:27

Good and bad news, for PI. Good news for me, bad news for PI. I've been informally offered the top-job at CZ, (the voting there was equally, as expected, 'just a formality!') and we're now just in discussions about the new team there - I want the best - Howard AND Harvey AND wotsisname - plus clarification about my remuneration. I'm thinking it should be rather more than Larry got, certainly in the WIkileaks scale of things.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jan/29/wikileaks-shut-down

Will keep you posted, of course. —NormanNitram

May I be the first to congratulate you, Norman, and say I am looking forward to you taking our insights there!

Re. Wikileaks, personally, I agree with the sceptics - why are they 'claiming' slaries for publishing leaks? Making money ($80 000 per 'staff) from whistleblowing does not sound like a very superior ethical approach—docmartin

I've created our own version - here wikileaks

2010-02-03 23:38:51 How about some logos for the 'key ideas' and 'key texts'? —docmartin

Yes, surely! But nothing comes to mind — pg

2010-02-08 21:50:50 You know, the 'vault' is kinda spooky... —docmartin

I like it, personally, but English is not my mother tongue. — PG

2010-02-08 22:02:54 Foucault's pendulum experiment should be moved from Key Ideas to the paradigm destruction kit. May I? —PerigGouanvic

That's what you're being paid for, P-A!

(Once the oil industry money comes in for Doc's campaigning...)

Learning academese

Our friend Gabriel has this for me, for us:

source : http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=405

ps: he will be back to PI soon, hopefully. Philosophy of the environment: thrilling, really!

—PerigGouanvic

Hi, I have another one for you :

source : http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=761

— Gabriel

I think these run in the Doc's 'Global Warming busting' magazine - the Times Higher Education, too.

But good to see them here - copyright permitting! They're bang on target.

2010-02-14 00:18:31 In the interests of er... balance:

http://numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm —NormanNitram

Imagine if all those things (supposed or proven) had nothing to do with the anthropogenic global warming theory... wouldn't we be in deep s**t because of misplaced fears? What are the costs of the Global Warming Theory?

- PG

2010-02-22 20:53:08 The PI Lab 'alert' (see Recent Changes) would would work better as an 'include', wouldn't it?

And maybe we could have an alternative image, so it only requres a quick double click to toggle between them?

BTW, our 'featured status has been 'edit warred' over with a bit at WIkispot Central... —docmartin

Was Heidegger a Nazi?

2010-02-22 21:06:00 Was Heidegger a Nazi?

Or, better, is his writing really in support of Nazi theory?

Do we need to debate this?

Judging from the Higher's comments (just a few but...) he's still pretty popular. Whiter than white!

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=410395&c=2

Comments here be appreciated! —docmartin

2010-02-24 13:55:02

pi-lab changes

The PI Lab has new data requiring editors' attention...

may be more useful as a banner we put on the noticeboard when needed, no?
—PG —PerigGouanvic
2010-02-24 13:57:14

I thought you used the recent changes page first! But yes, that's a good place for it. How about making it an include 'version-on' and include 'version off' feature - that is the easist way to quickly toggle on and off, no? - DocM

2010-02-28 06:32:14

Proposed featured page / key thinkers page

Socrates' Good Life and Real Knowledge
http://www.philosophical-investigations.org/Socrates%27_Good_Life_and_Real_Knowledge

yes, no, perhaps?

— PG —PerigGouanvic

I got problems with this format/ approach - made some comments on the discussion page.

Maybe not the time to mention it, but could you as 'independent' eye, look at the Wikipedia on Climate Change page for possible upgrading to Featured Page status? Pretty please! Docmartin

How about a separate contents box on P-A's 'editor's home page' - listing his essays? We've had a few, they are too much personal essays to fit in comfortably with the 'research' ethos of the Wiki, but they certainly are worth collecting up and maybe building upon later as desired... NN

I'll go for this method. One point made by Doc that I find especially important, relating to our science ethos, is that historiography is really what is at stakes here. We have several serious investigations that are grounded on 'scientific assessments' of the historical data, and just a few days ago, we were suggested another one of this kind, concerning Heidegger vs nazism. — PG

If I believe personally that Socrates' Good life is entirely rooted in his listening to voices, to a rationality that escapes his, I must be careful, i suppose, to explain how credible the historical / textual evidence is and how his discourses on ethics fall apart if we treat this practical religiosity as a mere oddity, or remove it from the equation, as is often done (as far as i can tell / remember from my readings). One could also make a radically different point, however: nobody cares what he said or did, better to focus on how he was 'constructed' from the text, and how the listening to voices was, or wasn't, taken seriously. —PG

It's also a 'style' thing'. "If I believe personally that Socrates' Good life is entirely rooted in his listening to voices..." is not where we're at here, the question "Is Socrates' notion of the Good life entirely rooted in his listening to voices" (arguments, sources, and yes, personal take too, why not) might make a real classic page, no? - NN

A classic PI page? yes —PG

2010-03-01 23:56:07

"PI in the news"

A new sidebar button for this would be appropriate? We have 1 (or 2) THE article and two others right now. We'll have more!

—PG —PerigGouanvic

Great idea, I think. WIll you implement? NN

- Font of all wisdom, or not? 9 April 2009 The internet may one day hold the library of all knowledge, but not while Wikipedia predominates... Times Higher Education http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=406100

- How Has The World's Largest Encyclopaedia Been Covering The Climate Change Debate? http://www.thegwpf.org/international-news/593-martin-cohen-how-has-the-worlds-largest-encyclopaedia-been-covering-the-climate-change-debate-.html The Global Warming Policy Foundation Sunday, 28 February 2010 18:53 also in Climate realists http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=5264

- Beyond debate? The Copenhagen summit is in full force, and so too is the idea that man-made global warming is incontrovertible. But Martin Cohen argues that the consensus is less a triumph of science and rationality than of PR and fear-mongering. http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=409454 Times Higher Education, 10 December 2009.

The PI effect

Okay, that's a fairly modest start but!

I just wonder if we could have - on the same page- a second category of stories in the news which we can make some osrt of claim to have 'pioneered'. That way, we can add in things like the [Himalayas...] This bit could be more visual - use a graphic and link to our page sort of thing. Obviously the 'reality of the PI effect' is impossible to establish, but there's surely no harm if we suggest some! - Docmartin

2010-03-03 22:00:46 Great page here at CZ
- who says it's on its last legs?

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Wilmer_Allison —NormanNitram